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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 559 for the 7th of july

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2019 richardsaunders

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coming to you once more from the San

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Francisco Bay Area although I'll be

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heading home very soon coming up on this

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week's show a bit later on a special

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extended report live on the scene as it

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were I have a private tour of the Shabo

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space and Science Center which is in the

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Oakland Hills my friend Leonard Trammell

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is a volunteer tour guide at the center

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and I was lucky enough to get some of

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his time as he took me around and showed

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me the exhibits including the

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spectacular exhibit called luminous moon

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which is on until the 8th of September

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and this has photographs of the moon

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from the moon of the Moon at the moon

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around the moon that you have to see to

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believe

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and just glancing at the official blurb

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on the website here at Chabot space Torg

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this is our Moon as you've never seen it

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the only thing more extraordinary than

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the science we are learning about the

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moon is its incredible beauty Shabo

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stunning new photographic essay explores

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the moon's sweeping craters and once

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active volcanoes with photos by NASA

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astronauts who witnessed its beautiful

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desolation firsthand and images taken by

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a satellite that allow us to explore

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places we have not even yet visited

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yes it lives up to the hype folks and

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you'll hear more about that in the

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second half of today's skeptic zone rib

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coming up at the top of the show we have

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an interview with michael marshall from

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the good thinking society our regular

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correspondent in the UK and Marsh is

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going to tell us about a campaign by a

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good thinking about protecting people

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helping to protect people with autism

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from harmful homeopathic cures yes there

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are many people in the alternative

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medical community that think that autism

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is a disease that can be treated and

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cured Marsh will tell us more about this

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and the action they are taking and he's

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going to talk about something called

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cease therapy ceas ii and just quickly

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cease therapists claim they can cure

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autism based on the false belief that

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autism is caused by vaccines and the

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symptoms of autism can be cured with

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the extremely dangerous anti-vaccination

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movement which is gaining traction in

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the UK the National Autistic Society

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have described cease therapy as

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absolutely appalling always good to talk

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to Marsh and find out what action the

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that's enough for me at the moment it's

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time for me to run upstairs and today is

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definitely a blue cheese and cracker day

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well I enjoy my blue cheese and crackers

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joining me now all the way from

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Liverpool it's the project director at

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the good thinking society Michael

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Marshall hello Marsh hi Richard hi nice

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to be back on there on the sceptic zone

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I think it's it's been a little while

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but I'm semi-regular at this point

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absolutely over the years you certainly

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are you're always a welcome visitor to

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the skeptic zone now I've contacted you

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because some action that the good

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thinking society came to my attention

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and it's quite formal in a ways and it's

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a judicial review it involves homeopathy

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it involves autism can you wrap it up

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for us yeah so I'm sure your listeners

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will be aware of the anti-tax movement

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obviously in Australia

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skeptics all over Australia been doing

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fantastic work in countering the

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anti-vaccine what one aspect of the anti

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vex movement in the UK and also kind of

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the claims that not only does do

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vaccines cause autism but that the

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autism can be treated through a range of

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different treatments so things like

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homeopaths you practice something called

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ceased therapy cease therapy now that's

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for a complete elimination of autism

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spectrum exhibition good it is very much

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meant to be a and autism cure and it

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restriction as well no evidence that it

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symptoms associated with autism it

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idea that a developmental issue that

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neurodiversity the idea that newer

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dangerous and misleading claim yeah I'm

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homeopaths which is the UK's a kind of

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of an accredited organization accredited

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regulator they'll point to that as one

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of the reasons that the public can trust

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them you know we can't we have to be

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doing things the right way because we've

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got a formal official regulator that

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makes sure we're safe and trustworthy

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body in the UK called professional

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standards authority and the PSA is the

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health care the health care regulator of

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regulators so they will regulate doctors

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general den of Dental Council falls

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under the remit of the PSA so it's the

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regulator of regulators and in 2014 the

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Society Homa class were allowed to join

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that scheme and become voluntary members

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of this regulator and that means that

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members of the Society of homeopaths

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big tick like a government tick saying

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are therefore safe and trustworthy and

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Guardian last year and there's a follow

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ceased therapy and as a result of that

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parents not to go to any old homeopathy

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that they are trustworthy but that list

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regulators that they were pointing

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so with all of this going on to be an

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accredited regulator every year you get

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reviewed by the PSA who do like an order

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that you're keeping up standards and

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maintaining protection of the public and

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all that kind of stuff so all of this

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of their review in 2017 of the Society

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homeopaths the PSA highlighted their

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members who do cease therapy as a

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particular issue and a concern and they

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even said for example that the their

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members aren't allowed to tell to say on

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their website or to tell patients and

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parents that they do complete

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exhibition they can only say a cease

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they can't explain what cease means

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are making a claim about curing autism

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that the PSA we're happy to accept you

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use the acronym oh yeah that sounds like

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something from Monty Python yeah it's

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treatment as long as you don't tell them

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curious position to be in and I think

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would actually protect the public but

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they accredited them in 2017 nonetheless

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them in 2018 ahead of their 2019

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accreditation and the PSA even again

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homeopathy members were offering C's

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therapy that they were making claims to

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cure autism that they were making claims

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about vaccines that directly violated or

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vaccines you know the best practice

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advice which is that vaccines are safe

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aren't safe from vaccines are toxic and

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all this kind of stuff and even though

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same and they went ahead and they give

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society home the offer members can carry

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before that a lot of the people involved

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homeopathy but they would certainly be

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sincere and firm believers that autism

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is caused by vaccinations yeah I I

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homeopaths I don't think I've spoken to

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homeopathy who I didn't think was

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incorrect and that's presenting it is

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presenting a risk because they genuinely

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believe in the in the stuff that happens

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to be incorrect and aren't following the

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evidence unfortunately so because this

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government body gives them that rubber

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stamp of authority again we decided will

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we looked at that that decision and we

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thought in our opinion that decision

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looks to be unlawful because if you're

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sure that practitioners of various

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health care and making sure that what

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they're doing is is trustworthy that

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looking out for people's best interests

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in terms of health if that's your remit

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which it is the remit of the PSE it

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seems contradictory to that remit to

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then a creditor body that you recognize

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is posing a potential risk and

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specifically a pet potential risk to

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disabled people and autistic people yeah

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it makes about as much sense as

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homeopathy in general I think yeah

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exactly so because this was a decision

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made by a government body it is subject

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to being challenged yeah if if you if

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you are able to get together a legal

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case to do that you can challenge this

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decision so we actually filed our legal

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cases judicial review is the name of the

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type of legal challenge that you would

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make to a decision UK made by a

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government body and so we filed that

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judicial review on Friday the 28th so a

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couple of days ago as of recording this

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and what we're trying to do is point out

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that this decision by the PSA in our

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opinion is unlawful and we've made laid

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out our case as to why we believe that's

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unlawful and if the court grants

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permission for this to go ahead we can

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have this have this essentially out in

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court and as a result the gtps a may

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have to go back and remake that decision

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with - while taking a

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a close look at protecting the public in

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the areas that we've highlighted are

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particularly concerned and so what we're

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hoping is the PSA either recognize that

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the decision they made is unlawful we

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think it's unlawful we think a

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reasonable argument for that we're

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hoping the PSA recognize that and

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reverse that decision can go back to the

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drawing board and say we're going to now

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take another look at that accreditation

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and see where the saying we should have

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done differently and if not then it'll

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end up in court and we're hoping that a

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court will make that decision so we're

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hoping at the end of this there we will

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be in a position where people who have

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autism are not being subjected to these

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these unproven harmful treatments with

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the tacit endorsement or a certain leave

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you're the the authority and kite mark

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of the government's official health care

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regulator in doing so that it's that if

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they're going to do this and we're going

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to try to try and demonstrate why they

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why these honkers should not be doing

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these therapies they absolutely should

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not be doing them with the government on

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they're effectively on their side in

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terms of how it looks yeah absolutely

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now the good thinking Society is known

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for this sort of being on the front foot

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so to speak taking action

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how can people how can our listeners

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help your cause well there's two things

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that listeners can really do the first

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thing is unfortunately a judicial review

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is quite an expensive procedure it's

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incredibly in it's incredibly in-depth

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we have to have expert lawyers who are

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experts in this area and we work with an

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excellent law firm who we've worked with

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for many many years who've done a huge

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amount of excellent skeptical work with

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us and and are very very on the on the

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side of good in that area but they also

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have to turn they say this into into

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paid work otherwise they can't be doing

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a skeptical work full time so because

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this is quite expensive we've actually

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launched a crowdfunding campaign where

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we're saying to people if you believe in

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this work if you think this is a real

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good thing for us to do if you think

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this will help protect autistic people

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from these types of pseudo therapies and

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certainly from having the these given

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these pseudo therapies the veneer of

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government or sment you can help fund

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our legal fees we want to try and raise

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up to 36 thousand pounds we think that's

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what the legal fees should cost at most

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we just anything

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people who do to help us meet at least

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some of that would be hugely hugely

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appreciated and we have a sight upon on

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crowd justice comm where people can do

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that

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and the other side of it is you can put

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the money in and help us if you could if

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you also want to if you can't do that or

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if you want to do as well you can spread

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this information as far as possible you

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can tell people about this you can post

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it to social media and you can highlight

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this issue because the more attention we

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can draw to this crowd funder the more

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attention we can draw to this legal

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challenge the more likely we are of

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being able to meet some of our legal

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costs and also the more likely we are

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being demonstrate to people that they

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ceased therapy starts being promoted by

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people in lots different areas is not

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effective so the the other side of this

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really is that we're hoping this case

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will shed light on the fact that ceased

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therapy is out there so that parents you

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do have autistic children who might come

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across this therapy they might also come

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across our story and recognize and

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actually there's some genuine harms and

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risks of harms going on here so if you

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can share this story far and wide and if

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you can and you think it's worth it's

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worth us doing this if you can got the

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crowd fund and put even a little bit of

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money in there the more people who do

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that the better we'll all be and we can

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really make this a success we hope yes

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folks there will be a link directly to

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the page in question where you can help

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help out chip in with the the

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crowdfunding there and it's the case

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Michael Marshall of cease therapy should

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cease I think you could say it

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absolutely is absolutely air correct

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Richard absolutely oh it took me a long

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time to come up with that one now before

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we before we go I've just today as it

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happens I was being very healthy also on

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the treadmill listening to one of my

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favorite podcasts be reasonable in the

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latest episode is it about homeopathy

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you interviewer homeopathy which is

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deeply fascinating folks it was a good

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timing in a way Marsh that that stories

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come out now yeah it was a surprise

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actually because I actually recorded

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this interview a couple of months ago

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and for listeners who aren't aware of

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what be reasonable is I interview

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someone that I disagree with but instead

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of being antagonistic instead of being

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aggressive instead of trying to win the

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conversation and win the debate I try to

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have a civil discussion and try to

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genuinely understand

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the other side's point of view I think

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that's a valuable thing to do because it

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means we've heard the arguments that are

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being used to persuade the people we

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disagree with and once you've heard

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those arguments we could be much much

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better at counteracting them so it's the

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kind of show that you listen to and I'm

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not gonna tell anyone that they're

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completely wrong about things I'm not

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going to go for the jugular I'm just

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going to try and introduce sense checks

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and try and get as much information as

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possible and the the show that's out

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that was out at the end of June was with

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Kate Burch who is a HomePath who

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actually practices ceased therapy and so

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the story that was published in The

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Guardian that started June one of the

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the homeopaths they talked about as

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practicing ceased therapy was kay perch

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so it was really surprising to me to see

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that this interview that I did in sort

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of February or March kind of time

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certainly had a relevance to not just

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what was in the media at the time but

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then the the legal case that we will

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we've been working on in the subsequent

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months so it all sort of came back

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together so if you want to hear

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firsthand what what a homeopath you who

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promotes cease therapy who also believes

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that homeopathy can be used to treat

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AIDS and many many other things as well

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if you want to hear firsthand what they

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say and how they explain their position

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how they justify to themselves in to

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their patients that position you can

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check out the latest episode of be

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reasonable and you can hear it straight

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from the homie cat's mouth straight from

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the homeopaths mouth again a link will

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be in this week's show notes and I'll

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probably press you mosh to send me a new

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little audio promo for be reasonable

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it's certainly one of the most

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fascinating skeptical podcasts out there

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well Michael Marshall thanks again for

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your time and thanks for taking this

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sort of action I think it's very

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important and people can follow the

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links and help you out but for now

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Michael Marshall from Liverpool thank

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you very much thanks you meet Richard

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and also thanks to all the skeptics or

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listeners who've been listening to your

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show for so long it's a really great

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show

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a really great for an important thing

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that's happening in the in the skeptical

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movement so yeah thanks to all the

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listeners as well

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be reasonable is the interview show from

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the Merseyside skeptic society where

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each month I speak to someone about

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their fringe beliefs of the Earth's have

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spoken to psychics UFO believers moon

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landing and ayahs flat earthers Hollow

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Earth as an all manner of unusual

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conspiracy theorists but I've also

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talked to aids denialists white

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supremacists gay conversion therapies

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I even interviewed Jim Humble the

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inventor of miracle mineral supplement a

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form of industrial police that he and

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his followers used to treat cancer and

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HIV this isn't a debate show my aim

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isn't to win an argument but when we

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listen to how people promote and justify

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the ideas that we disagree with even the

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dangerous ones I think you become much

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more effective at countering those ideas

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if that sounds like something you'd be

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interested in look for be reasonable on

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this beautiful forest countryside that

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00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:31,060
sits in the middle of a

552
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:35,050
I can tell that can tell and you look

553
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:36,640
the part you're all decked out in your

554
00:21:41,370 --> 00:21:39,370
volunteer shirt with your space and

555
00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:41,380
science and a hat on looks alright it

556
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:43,060
looks great I'm official

557
00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:45,130
you are official good to see you again

558
00:21:50,190 --> 00:21:47,950
yes and I can't wait to have a look at

559
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:50,200
the exhibition and the rest of the

560
00:21:58,660 --> 00:21:52,290
center oh absolutely

561
00:22:02,570 --> 00:21:58,670
[Music]

562
00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:02,580
now we've walked inside here and we are

563
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:05,700
presented with a giant I guess it's like

564
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:07,830
an inflatable ball isn't it yeah of the

565
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:10,590
moon and you're just telling me that

566
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,810
it's as it's sitting here above this

567
00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:15,600
it's upside down to your eye right and

568
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:18,990
it should be right side up to yours yeah

569
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:23,580
I'm trying to yes yes I I'm trying to

570
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:26,760
recognize it because it's a bit it's a

571
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:29,820
bit disconcerting because it's the whole

572
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:32,940
moon and I'm trying to find the the near

573
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:34,650
side that this decided the places us

574
00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:37,080
yeah yeah this is the new science video

575
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:40,070
because I think I recognized that

576
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:42,450
particular crater over there although I

577
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:43,830
could be kidding myself

578
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:46,650
that's fascinating we can walk right

579
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:48,930
around it so I'm walking around the moon

580
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:54,090
now it's about oh it's about three

581
00:23:00,440 --> 00:22:56,520
meters off the ground it's about two

582
00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:00,450
meters in diameter well we come around

583
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:02,790
to the far side of the Moon here which

584
00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:06,000
is sometimes called the dark side which

585
00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:09,040
isn't really the dark side

586
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:10,900
and that's quite a different viewers

587
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:14,290
nodes it's a lot less patchy in a way

588
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:17,770
yeah the most ironic thing about the

589
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:19,900
Dark Side of the Moon is it's actually

590
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:22,750
much lighter yeah it is and I don't

591
00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:24,490
think I've ever seen it seen something

592
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:27,040
like this now let's look at the the pole

593
00:23:33,410 --> 00:23:30,090
here and this is the North Pole

594
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:33,420
okay we're directly under the North Pole

595
00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:36,610
wow that's fascinating so that's been

596
00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:39,100
some fantastic images in the exhibit

597
00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:42,040
upstairs of the north and south poles of

598
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:43,480
the Moon and this has been stitched

599
00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:45,910
together with thousands of photographs I

600
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:50,920
imagine it looks I want one have you

601
00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:54,810
ever seen a moon pebble no

602
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:57,420
I'm walking over to a little display

603
00:24:04,310 --> 00:23:59,940
here that's a part of the moon it's a

604
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:04,320
lunar sample returned by Apollo 16 and

605
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:07,020
look and it's not very big of course

606
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:08,100
it's you know it's less than a

607
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,170
centimeter that's all right a centimeter

608
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:12,360
but it's a part of the moon and right

609
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:13,770
there in front of us

610
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:19,290
wow it's pretty that looks great well

611
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:22,860
this is fun yeah around here it's

612
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:26,610
getting very dark oh so this is a model

613
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:30,230
of a 50 by 50 by 50 Lightyear cube

614
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:34,860
centered on the Sun and shows 200 or so

615
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:37,050
of the closest stars

616
00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:40,860
this is absolutely gobsmacked invokes

617
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:44,430
it's a giant cube with little points of

618
00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:47,460
light dotted through it to represent our

619
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:52,350
galactic neighborhood right and I can

620
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:54,510
just move from side to side up and down

621
00:25:01,760 --> 00:24:58,860
and I can see how the stars situated

622
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:01,770
with respect to each other what a great

623
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:05,130
idea that weren't dark you'd see that

624
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:09,570
it's made of fiber-optic oh it's shining

625
00:25:12,530 --> 00:25:10,830
a little light we can see that although

626
00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:12,540
the fiber-optic so you take that away

627
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:14,160
and you just see the little points of

628
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:17,880
light that is what what a wonderful idea

629
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,530
and I think that would work if it was

630
00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:22,380
four or five six times as big so the

631
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:25,230
first one of these that I saw was at the

632
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:28,410
McLaughlin planetarium in Toronto at the

633
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:31,950
Royal Ontario Museum and that one is

634
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:33,450
large enough that you can actually walk

635
00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:35,850
through it

636
00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:38,800
it I think this is a terrific idea

637
00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:40,900
because it really gives especially

638
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:43,390
children yeah the concept in their head

639
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:45,970
you have the three-dimensional nature's

640
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:48,190
base so there's the son in the middle

641
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:51,550
there we are yep and this is our closest

642
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:54,010
neighbor and it's a triple star system

643
00:25:59,130 --> 00:25:57,370
as you can see yeah and most people

644
00:26:03,000 --> 00:25:59,140
don't know this but the second closest

645
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:03,010
star system to the earth is a red dwarf

646
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:05,140
too faint to be seen with the naked eye

647
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:08,820
really and that's that one oh yes yes

648
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:12,850
yeah and it's actually brighter here

649
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,430
than it would be in in actually so this

650
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:18,720
is 50 by 50 by 50 light yet right Wow

651
00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:21,370
line snapping absolutely brilliant and

652
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:23,080
in there is the brightest star in the

653
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:25,750
night sky Sirius yeah it's it's gorgeous

654
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:27,430
that's gorgeous that what a great idea

655
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:31,300
folks I it's it's just hard to relay

656
00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:33,850
what what a fantastic thing that is to

657
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:36,630
give people the concept of

658
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,590
three-dimensional space ooh hello we've

659
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:44,080
got a gravity well let me pick up a few

660
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:47,830
planets here and it's like those things

661
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:49,510
you see in some shopping centers where

662
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:51,010
you put a coin in and they right roll

663
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:05,350
little spheres representing little

664
00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:06,890
Marvel type things representing planet

665
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Oh God

666
00:27:20,770 --> 00:27:17,090
fortunately that doesn't happen in

667
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:20,780
actual solar systems the orbits go decay

668
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:28,450
and fall into the Sun is this real yes

669
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:33,710
cccp it's a it says sawyers an actual

670
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:38,930
Soyuz descent module good heavens it's

671
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:40,430
smaller than you think

672
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:43,490
in real life you just let me climb up

673
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:46,250
this little viewing platform we can look

674
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:49,700
through the window here if it's three oh

675
00:27:54,790 --> 00:27:52,610
it does too so you go in there with two

676
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:54,800
of you are literally closest to here

677
00:28:00,910 --> 00:27:58,880
friends and from what I've read it's a

678
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:00,920
bumpy landing when these things come up

679
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:03,320
well they'll end on the ground ground

680
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:09,200
yeah it's it's about the same impact as

681
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:13,490
a moderate traffic accident so you get

682
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:14,480
get smacked

683
00:28:23,380 --> 00:28:19,670
in here and see this poor little

684
00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:23,390
cosmonauts all bunched up boy and these

685
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:25,460
are all their legs are wrapped around

686
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:28,100
it's amazing wow that's that's a great

687
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:31,070
thing to have here now we come across

688
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:34,910
another model here of the planet Mars is

689
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:37,970
this to scale it's the scale except the

690
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:40,490
vertical has been exaggerated by about a

691
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:43,730
factor of 25 course this is at this

692
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:46,550
scale correctly Marge would look like a

693
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:49,160
billiard ball very very smooth of course

694
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,290
it would so it's exaggerated to show us

695
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:52,640
where the mountains are this is olympus

696
00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:56,450
mons for examples and when i saw i mean

697
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:58,040
what we're looking at folks is a giant

698
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:01,490
globe of mars with that Valles Marianas

699
00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:03,950
here we've got Olympus Mons and we can

700
00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:05,990
walk right round the whole planet which

701
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:07,940
is about a meter and

702
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:10,460
there's a North Pole but yes that the

703
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:11,660
mountains have been exaggerated because

704
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:13,190
when Isis or olympus mons i thought it

705
00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:15,230
can't be that we can't extend that far

706
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:17,060
out from the planet but it's a great it

707
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:19,130
gives people a great idea that the

708
00:29:25,570 --> 00:29:21,730
craters in the mountains of mars and

709
00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:25,580
it's nice and red yeah and you can touch

710
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:28,220
it and you can feel the the craters and

711
00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:31,250
the bumps and everything I want one of

712
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,800
these two now I absolutely want one of

713
00:29:40,270 --> 00:29:35,600
these and just behind us here behind

714
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:40,280
this glass panel is a big representation

715
00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:41,990
of the surface of Mars a little Rover

716
00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:46,100
little Rover in one of the stations over

717
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:48,440
that you noticed earlier you can

718
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:50,210
actually won't control this and drive it

719
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:51,650
around I'd say you can drive around this

720
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,200
track okay and there's a camera above

721
00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:56,240
that shows you and a camera in the front

722
00:30:01,720 --> 00:29:58,390
of it that shows you where it's pointing

723
00:30:04,090 --> 00:30:01,730
what fun what a fun place this is folks

724
00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:04,100
I can't tell you it's fantastic fun

725
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:07,430
stuff Oh 3d let me put on my little 3d

726
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:10,120
glasses here and recognize that it's the

727
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:14,000
red-blue method of 3d pop these on and

728
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:17,090
oh look at that big crater on the

729
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:22,070
surface of Mars fantastic oh now we're

730
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:23,810
walking across to another section down

731
00:30:28,150 --> 00:30:26,750
at my feet look up first artificial

732
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:28,160
satellite the silver sphere is a

733
00:30:34,390 --> 00:30:30,020
full-scale model of the Soviet Union's

734
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:34,400
of NIP one Sputnik one the first

735
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:36,470
man-made object to up the earth 1957

736
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:38,450
there it is directly above our heads

737
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:41,420
there's a scale model of love beep beep

738
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:44,390
beep yes but it's going to Dickens other

739
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:44,900
people

740
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:47,960
and here's a Saturn 5 and we're coming

741
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:51,740
up a 1/10 scale model of a Saturn 5 and

742
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:53,720
it's still huge once again take a look

743
00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:56,900
at the top you'll see the escape tower

744
00:31:03,020 --> 00:30:59,960
on an actual Saturn 5 the escape tower

745
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:03,030
is the size of this model

746
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,830
Wow and we're viewing this from about

747
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,240
three-quarters of the way up up some

748
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:11,520
stairs here it's a long way down to the

749
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,370
bottom where the base of this rocket is

750
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:15,720
I'm quite a long way up and it's only

751
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,990
one-tenth scale model it's it's big so

752
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,240
there are two remaining Saturn 5s in

753
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,640
existence oh yeah one at the Kennedy

754
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:27,360
Space Center in Florida the other at the

755
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:29,550
Johnson Space Center in Texas and you

756
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,120
can go and and see them pretty good as

757
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:36,000
you can see it's large there's a scale

758
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:38,550
model of it get her to a giraffe yeah

759
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,990
and the Statue of Liberty doesn't even

760
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:42,480
come up to halfway yeah yeah how long

761
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:45,140
does this mean this facility been here

762
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:49,260
19 years opened in August of 2000 so

763
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:52,770
this is that our newest exhibit it's a

764
00:31:57,980 --> 00:31:55,590
just for this summer called luminous

765
00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:57,990
moon done in partnership with the NASA

766
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,800
Ames Research Center and they are

767
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:03,840
exquisitely high-resolution beautifully

768
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:07,140
printed images from of the moon most

769
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:08,970
from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter

770
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:11,460
they're they're stunning all right

771
00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:13,290
that's exciting we're just walking up

772
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,020
these stairs now to have a look we are

773
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:20,580
immediately presented with the giant

774
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:24,270
photograph of the moon properly with

775
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:30,090
North up okay buta we are in the

776
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,740
northern hemisphere all right I'll give

777
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,200
you that and and what I find is

778
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:36,960
fascinating is when we look here to the

779
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:38,370
edge of the moon we can see the

780
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,230
mountains and the craters yeah

781
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:43,260
against the blackness of space and this

782
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:45,090
is a this is a good shot that's a very

783
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:53,049
so this exhibit is set up mostly like an

784
00:33:00,279 --> 00:32:56,750
art gallery uh-huh because the pictures

785
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:00,289
are just exquisitely gorgeous this is

786
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:02,090
exciting we're looking into the big hole

787
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:06,409
here take a look to your right another

788
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:08,980
picture of the moon the backside ah

789
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:14,870
right yeah yeah it's it's very different

790
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:17,690
very different I mean I wouldn't

791
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:19,940
immediately recognize that as the moon

792
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:21,470
because we're so used to seeing the

793
00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:24,169
right mottle pattern this is very

794
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:26,990
consistent like mercury yeah yeah as a

795
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,530
few dark areas but basically it's it's

796
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:32,240
the contrast isn't there that's a

797
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:35,750
picture taken by a handheld camera huh

798
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,919
if you happen to be on Apollo 12 okay so

799
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:41,600
close up to the side of the edge of the

800
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:44,030
moon here we can see the craters like

801
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:46,460
quite close to the surface yeah it was

802
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:49,090
probably while they were coming back up

803
00:33:57,789 --> 00:33:54,770
now this take pictures this looks like

804
00:34:00,370 --> 00:33:57,799
it's can't be real yeah doesn't it moon

805
00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:00,380
scene from the but no that's real that's

806
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:04,220
real yeah so this is a composite

807
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:09,649
photograph taken with data from the

808
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:13,399
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter the detail

809
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,820
was from the narrow angle camera which

810
00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:19,040
is black-and-white and then they

811
00:34:24,339 --> 00:34:21,710
colorized it with simultaneous data

812
00:34:26,109 --> 00:34:24,349
taken by the wide-angle camera which is

813
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:26,119
how you get the color of Earth what

814
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:28,790
we're looking at folks is a view looking

815
00:34:32,379 --> 00:34:30,830
down upon the moon from an orbiter I

816
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:32,389
could see some mountains here some

817
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:36,649
shadows being cast and then looming over

818
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:40,190
the horizon is a giant earth with Africa

819
00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:43,190
prominently displayed here the Sun fully

820
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:45,859
on this side of the planet and it's huge

821
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:48,440
it's absolutely enormous in the then the

822
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:50,419
print is large and the resolution is

823
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:53,240
amazing and it's real that's mine

824
00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:55,360
snapping that's amazing

825
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,470
is a composite of images from Apollo 16

826
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:02,800
that's gorgeous we could the little the

827
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:05,350
famous lunar rover lunar buggy here with

828
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,650
an astronaut just buy it and we can see

829
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:10,480
right across the lunar surface to a deep

830
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:13,810
crater filled with rocks Wow it's

831
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:15,910
exquisite Wow and just look at the

832
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:18,670
resolution of these ah gets better folks

833
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:21,790
oh that's insane this is a giant crater

834
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:24,910
we'll hear it in fine detail with the

835
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:27,910
shadow being cast going deep inside we

836
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:29,320
can see all the little rocks around the

837
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:33,160
rim of the crater the ejecta oh my

838
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,220
goodness yeah it's it's amazing it's

839
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:39,520
amazing and more mountains and craters

840
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:43,300
here we are looking at in giant

841
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:48,900
photographs you look up close and the oh

842
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:52,480
my goodness a detail is just absolutely

843
00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:56,530
right this is more than a meter across

844
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:00,550
yeah yeah and you can stand up you're

845
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:01,690
close enough that you think you need a

846
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:04,810
magnifying glass yes and there still yes

847
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:07,300
intricate detail yes that's that's

848
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:09,790
stunning I had no idea but the closer I

849
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:11,380
get in my eyes to study and go out of

850
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:12,970
focus no because I can't get any closer

851
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:15,220
there's still detail there to be seen

852
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:18,450
Wow Wow now here's an interesting one

853
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:21,550
another huge sort of panorama here from

854
00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:25,290
the moon it gives you an idea of the

855
00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:28,060
scale I guess in this in and also the

856
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:30,100
way the the the mountain ranges and so

857
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:32,470
forth on the moon so a lot of these most

858
00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:34,090
of the pictures here were taken from a

859
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:37,120
fairly oblique angle so that you can see

860
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:40,060
the topology yeah yeah that really

861
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:42,790
brings it out into stark detail well the

862
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:45,640
one thing I must say that I remember

863
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:47,140
reading about in the seeing is that the

864
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:49,390
astronauts on the moon really didn't

865
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:51,250
have a concept of distance right because

866
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,170
they our eyes don't work that way where

867
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:54,880
there's no atmosphere we can't tell how

868
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:57,910
far something is away right and you get

869
00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,170
that impression here by looking at these

870
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:01,930
photographs too we move along a

871
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:03,910
beautiful photograph of another crater

872
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:04,870
these rills

873
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:07,180
yeah particularly this these are

874
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:09,100
probably collapsed lava tubes

875
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:11,590
oh wow that's fascinating look at them

876
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:13,900
there's like a meandering River yeah

877
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:16,690
going across there that's fascinating

878
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:19,950
with the vulcanization caused by

879
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:22,960
eruption of magma or whatever the right

880
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,280
word is for lunar magma after the impact

881
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:30,960
of a meteor forming the crater yeah yeah

882
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:35,110
some undetermined time in the distant

883
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:37,570
past long time a long time ago

884
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:40,780
so lunar orbiter Lunar Reconnaissance

885
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:42,970
Orbiter picture and then a couple of

886
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:46,510
photographs taken here at Chabot for

887
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:51,250
context okay nice pictures nice pictures

888
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:55,540
but that one again gives you an idea of

889
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,920
how many craters there must be on the

890
00:38:04,740 --> 00:37:59,440
moon going into the billions must be a

891
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:04,750
couple yeah oh my goodness it's so this

892
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:06,760
is the one that I took a picture of as a

893
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:10,210
no that's on my on my Facebook feed okay

894
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:12,670
you're responding yeah yeah and I said

895
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:14,920
that the image that the Facebook image

896
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:17,830
does it no just it's just it's this

897
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:19,870
again you walk up to this yeah and it's

898
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:22,870
got the same levels about two meter long

899
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:25,980
panoramas here folks of a crater with

900
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:28,420
mountains in it and again I can't

901
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:29,950
understand the scale I don't know if

902
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:31,900
what I'm looking at is two three four or

903
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:33,790
five six ten kilometers across or

904
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,540
whatever it is it's some 53 miles which

905
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:40,500
makes it about 60 km

906
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:43,900
so this is scale yes that's 53 miles

907
00:38:49,539 --> 00:38:45,670
across so these these are big mountains

908
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,269
he's breathtaking yeah I just I when I

909
00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:55,200
first saw these pictures I just yeah

910
00:39:00,229 --> 00:38:57,150
just stood here without the gape yeah

911
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:00,239
yeah let's and this is the most

912
00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:02,609
spectacular okay

913
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:04,769
physics now we're looking at a mountain

914
00:39:10,789 --> 00:39:07,410
range with the the shadow of these

915
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:10,799
mountains cast it must be well again I

916
00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:13,710
who knows what scale is the size of

917
00:39:19,459 --> 00:39:16,739
about fast up in yeah yeah so it's a

918
00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:19,469
couple of miles high okay so this is

919
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:22,829
actually the central peak of one of the

920
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:24,690
most prominent craters on the front side

921
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:26,190
of the moon and I'll show it to you on

922
00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:30,599
the on the big image so when a object

923
00:39:37,339 --> 00:39:33,749
comes in slams into the moon it forms an

924
00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:37,349
explosion a shockwave radiates out when

925
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:42,029
that shockwave slows when the rock can

926
00:39:49,579 --> 00:39:46,910
resist its expansion it reflects and it

927
00:39:51,499 --> 00:39:49,589
concentrates back in the center and it

928
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:51,509
pushes a mountain up in the middle

929
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,249
that's how these central Peaks are

930
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,160
formed but that's a violent action and

931
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,680
stuff gets thrown up so here is a

932
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:01,680
boulder that went up and came back down

933
00:40:05,479 --> 00:40:03,630
and landed right on the top of the right

934
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:05,489
hip hop right on the top of the peak

935
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,359
good grief and again it's got incredible

936
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:10,640
detail yeah

937
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,390
stunning stunning stunning stunning Wow

938
00:40:19,569 --> 00:40:17,400
what it would be like to just fly over

939
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:19,579
this this terrain yeah

940
00:40:28,339 --> 00:40:24,390
the effect of solar ultraviolet is to

941
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:28,349
darken the rock so new craters are

942
00:40:34,339 --> 00:40:30,410
brighter because they haven't been

943
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:34,349
darkened so you can see something came

944
00:40:40,749 --> 00:40:37,079
slamming in here and those light stuff

945
00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:40,759
that's blast over is the ejecta yeah

946
00:40:45,979 --> 00:40:43,109
that's very beautiful isn't it it's

947
00:40:47,539 --> 00:40:45,989
black and white well these are blocking

948
00:40:49,249 --> 00:40:47,549
one black and white but it's beautiful I

949
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:49,259
mean the moon is more or less black and

950
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:51,089
white like this so these are the

951
00:40:55,309 --> 00:40:52,710
pictures I told you about of the North

952
00:40:58,219 --> 00:40:55,319
and South Pole okay here we go and these

953
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,229
are constructed so that you're seeing

954
00:41:01,339 --> 00:41:00,599
each spot when it was under maximum

955
00:41:04,009 --> 00:41:01,349
illumination

956
00:41:05,749 --> 00:41:04,019
okay yeah that makes sense YUM it

957
00:41:07,759 --> 00:41:05,759
wouldn't look like normally ever yeah

958
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:07,769
Dex light here now right in the middle

959
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:09,690
here there's never gets like the Sun

960
00:41:13,489 --> 00:41:11,670
never shines the Sun never shines and

961
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:13,499
there's ice at the bottom yes I

962
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,940
understand this is the South Pole

963
00:41:17,959 --> 00:41:16,380
yes South Pole here we are looking at

964
00:41:23,019 --> 00:41:17,969
the South Pole and depending on where

965
00:41:28,729 --> 00:41:25,579
all right and this is the North Pole

966
00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:28,739
right yeah here we go looks like a giant

967
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:32,900
cookie it may not be that tasty yeah

968
00:41:39,439 --> 00:41:36,599
it's a whole string of panoramas here

969
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:39,449
like get up nice and close and the first

970
00:41:44,299 --> 00:41:42,690
one shows us one of the lunar landers

971
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:44,309
I'm not sure which one it is but this is

972
00:41:50,359 --> 00:41:48,329
power 15 or 15 okay sort of landed

973
00:41:53,059 --> 00:41:50,369
slightly on an angle as far as I can

974
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:53,069
tell here and we can scan right across

975
00:41:56,269 --> 00:41:54,630
and see the mountains nearby and the

976
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,279
lunar buggy tracks going everywhere

977
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:58,079
right but the lunar lander is

978
00:42:03,529 --> 00:42:00,930
brilliantly colored this gold foil there

979
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:03,539
and the rest of the American flag and as

980
00:42:08,689 --> 00:42:05,130
soon as we leave that it's just black

981
00:42:13,029 --> 00:42:08,699
and white and and look at this you know

982
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:13,039
snow stars no switch is one of the

983
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:16,049
conspiracy theories yes oldest's gripes

984
00:42:20,299 --> 00:42:17,729
of course there are no star and we know

985
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,309
why we won't go into it now why there

986
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:21,839
are no stars in photographs from the

987
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:23,249
moon but you can look that up folks if

988
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:25,319
you're not sure and again we come across

989
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:26,670
and there's another one another

990
00:42:31,279 --> 00:42:28,529
astronaut by some boulders here with the

991
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,289
buggy parked on the other side oh I want

992
00:42:36,949 --> 00:42:33,839
these in my house I want gorgeous it's

993
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:36,959
just beautiful it's I can't do these

994
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:40,170
justice by talking about them but I love

995
00:42:45,949 --> 00:42:42,630
this one another panorama but this time

996
00:42:47,479 --> 00:42:45,959
the what is that that's the buggy okay

997
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:47,489
with a little satellite dish and an

998
00:42:53,299 --> 00:42:50,670
astronaut just buy it but there on the

999
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:53,309
horizon there on the top right so there

1000
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,410
you can see space directly behind the

1001
00:42:59,850 --> 00:42:56,800
buggy in the astronaut

1002
00:43:02,190 --> 00:42:59,860
a 3d printed model is another display

1003
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,200
here we've got a crater with a little

1004
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:04,480
mat is that the same mountain ranges

1005
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:07,120
nope no it's not but what we do have

1006
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:10,690
next to this 3d printed oh it is printed

1007
00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:13,210
look at that in sections and it's I

1008
00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:14,320
suppose this as an accurate

1009
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:16,030
representation of part of the moon we've

1010
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:18,520
got a light source here we can move to

1011
00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:21,360
give you a scale that's the Bay Area

1012
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:24,940
okay to scale so it's huge yeah it's a

1013
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,130
huge crater and with this light we can

1014
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:30,160
move it across noisily don't see how

1015
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:33,130
different it looks at different yeah so

1016
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:34,450
the sun's over here we can see the

1017
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:35,980
shadows being cast by the mountains in

1018
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:46,770
step outside here now we go to my

1019
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:49,090
favorite part of this once that wasn't

1020
00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:51,730
your favorite part no whoa that is

1021
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:54,070
magnificent that is magnificent amazing

1022
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,510
that's one of the best displays I've

1023
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,240
ever seen I just stood and gaped at

1024
00:44:02,190 --> 00:44:00,160
those pictures I could go back in Cape

1025
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:02,200
for another two hours and we will go

1026
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:07,110
back but these our these are our

1027
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:10,960
telescopes ah suddenly I'm surrounded by

1028
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:14,680
by domes tell us telescope domes so

1029
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:17,620
Anthony Shabo the benefactor of this

1030
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:20,470
good morning the benefactor of this

1031
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:25,540
facility back in 1883 purchased a

1032
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:28,120
telescope for the Oakland School

1033
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:32,920
District and it's in the dome here

1034
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,790
okay so we're walking across a little

1035
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:38,800
middle of down to look down to carefully

1036
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:40,510
five it's about ten meters down and

1037
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:43,330
we're entering a wonderful little dome

1038
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:43,870
here

1039
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:52,770
this telescope

1040
00:45:03,870 --> 00:44:59,440
griefed on the back 1883 1883

1041
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:03,880
yeah and like all these telescopes are

1042
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:05,710
the domes you get this weird acoustic

1043
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:07,360
effect yeah depending on where you stand

1044
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,310
you're not sure where they the sounds

1045
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:12,400
coming from it's brilliant

1046
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:16,420
yeah so it's a beautiful telescope it's

1047
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,020
a magnificent telescope so it's one of

1048
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:23,680
the directors of this facility back in

1049
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,960
the 1920s named the the two refractors

1050
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:31,200
you'll see the other large ones soon

1051
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:34,330
after the sisters in the Bible Rachel

1052
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:47,020
and Leah hmm so this is this is the

1053
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:51,310
school months we will have a couple of

1054
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:56,430
hundred kids a day now I've picked up a

1055
00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:00,760
sun viewing device here I can look

1056
00:46:08,610 --> 00:46:03,400
directly at the Sun through special

1057
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:08,620
tinted glass Wow there it is a disco and

1058
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:10,940
not on my eyes

1059
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:14,240
it's beautiful it's just a white round

1060
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:17,630
light somewhat distorted through the

1061
00:46:22,109 --> 00:46:20,630
cloud but there it is looking directly

1062
00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:22,119
at the Sun I'll put that down

1063
00:46:27,279 --> 00:46:25,160
that's very good and in a few years when

1064
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,289
we're back at a active part of the

1065
00:46:30,819 --> 00:46:29,119
sunspot cycle you'll be able to do that

1066
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:30,829
and occasionally actually see a sunspot

1067
00:46:39,609 --> 00:46:34,490
oh wow cool very cool probably no

1068
00:46:43,299 --> 00:46:39,619
sunspots at all today this is unexpected

1069
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:43,309
but it is a space and science facility

1070
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:44,450
of course and we've come across a

1071
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:47,530
display here Archaeopteryx

1072
00:46:52,359 --> 00:46:50,170
these are a whole bunch of dinosaurs and

1073
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:52,369
we've got some local high school

1074
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:54,890
students and yeah I'm doing a podcast

1075
00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:57,170
from Australia a scientific podcast and

1076
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:00,020
you're in here today to explain what

1077
00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:01,970
exactly so we're over here we're talking

1078
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:04,220
about cladistics which is the study of

1079
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:06,920
how the person of the visual and

1080
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:09,049
physical traits of different animals can

1081
00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:11,270
help identify what they are based on

1082
00:47:15,339 --> 00:47:12,920
their schools are other parts of the

1083
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:15,349
animal so over here we have a variety of

1084
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schools from different creatures some of

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them are very modern features others are

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prehistoric such as the ear after there

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we have them all laid out here but the

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they are scrambled with respect to their

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cards so the objective here is to try to

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match their cards to the skulls based on

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the very characteristic I know I

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understand okay we got the photographs

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here we've got various animals going

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back to prehistory of course dinosaurs

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and whatever and models of the skulls

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behind them you have to swap them around

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- well I'm not going to make a fool out

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of myself and try it right now but that

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that makes a fascinating exhibition

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that's a great model of a skull -

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so you can use that it's a very spongy

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school that came in school and that's

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one way that you can identify it I have

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something which floats in the water a

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lot because I have so much air it helps

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it stay boy am i right

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it also has a characteristic nose that

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bumps up as you can see on the store it

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here as well as large eyes and of course

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very pointy together great exhibition

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wonder it's good and we're traveling to

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space with a weight and mass exhibition

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00:48:32,749 --> 00:48:30,720
here or a little table with little

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suitcases each suitcase is labeled with

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the name of a planet Saturn Uranus

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Neptune Venus Mars Mercury Pluto the

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moon Pluto snuck in there somehow but

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that's alright we'll let that have we'll

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call these worlds instead of planets all

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right I'm with you so pick up the moon

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00:48:53,269 --> 00:48:51,299
moves quite light really but let me

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attempt to fade here and go for

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something like Saturn blimey it's the

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same size they're all the same size and

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we can check out oh that's quite heavy

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00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:05,130
surprisingly heavy we can check out

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Neptune's heavy the relative weight as

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Mars it's like Mars is very light

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Mercury's light and Pluto nearly floats

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away by itself and you guys are here to

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help explain the difference or the

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difference in weight and the difference

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between weight and mass yes so the idea

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00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:27,029
here is that each two case holds the

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00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:29,609
same mass but the way you feel is on

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00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:32,250
different planets so you have a good

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00:49:36,289 --> 00:49:34,410
sense for earth as this earth yeah you

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00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,299
have a good sense of earth for scale and

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then you get to feel what your anus

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would be and Saturn

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00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:44,150
and you're able to tell how gravity

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00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:47,060
affects mass or mass and gravity affect

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00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:49,430
weight rather right so if you were to

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00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:51,080
happen to carry that suitcase to a

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00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:53,120
different planet or world would it took

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00:50:00,100 --> 00:49:57,080
this suitcase to mercury it would be

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00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:00,110
like that so the earth is the base level

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00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,020
I guess you'd say and who came up with

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this idea it was a an older gas Explorer

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00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:08,870
volunteer they're not here anymore but

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they created this demo and so it's

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00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:13,520
beyond the fluorescence I love it I

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think that's a terrific idea

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oh it just gets better and better what's

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this so the science of tidal waves

1156
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:25,310
we've got spoons something close to my

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00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:29,450
heart okay taking yeah I think this I'll

1158
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:32,630
have to put your fingers through loops

1159
00:50:36,310 --> 00:50:34,670
yeah you'll demonstrate it to me then

1160
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:36,320
I'll do it yeah then put it in your ear

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00:50:44,830 --> 00:50:41,030
what and then bang it against the side

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00:50:46,810 --> 00:50:44,840
of the table okay trust me it's worth

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00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:46,820
alright so I'll get you to hold the

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00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:48,710
microphone all right I've got a fork

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00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:50,810
dangling on the end of the string but I

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put one loop of the string through this

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finger right one loop of the string

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00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:55,820
through the other thing right so the

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00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:57,890
forks in the middle right put my fingers

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00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:59,210
in my ears such a fingers in your ears

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00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:01,310
they're looking at me like I'm crazy and

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00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:03,470
then I bang the fork against the table

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00:51:12,590 --> 00:51:09,510
yes I'm on candid camera here we go

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00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,600
right now do it do it do it software

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00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:14,040
let's see and keep your fingers in there

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00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:21,750
isn't that zoning is ridiculous I could

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00:51:26,590 --> 00:51:24,200
feel the sound traveling through the

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00:51:32,609 --> 00:51:26,600
string through my fingers into my ears

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00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:35,319
you can do this at home I can do this at

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00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:39,349
home a wire hanger Wow and it's amazing

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00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:41,210
and this is something we can talk to

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hello we're going to descriptive day

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awake worrying at night instead of

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sleeping and this will be addy Belconnen

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with worrying in bed at night instead of

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sleeping the study she has conducted

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throughout her PhD have tried to work

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out whether anomalies in the way our

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brain processes information drives the

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worry keeping us up at night dinner will

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follow the lecture

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then on the 13th of August we have

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woman's woo pseudoscience and woman's

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health with Trish hand that's from 6

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p.m. and the venue is the law lecture

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theatre fellows Road Australian National

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University and the cost is also free

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this talk is a tour through the world of

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00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,630
woman's womb there's probably more of it

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00:53:39,730 --> 00:53:37,520
than youth realize and it's often

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00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:39,740
weirder than you expect there are the

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00:53:45,069 --> 00:53:41,990
obvious ones which are skewed towards

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00:53:47,609 --> 00:53:45,079
women but technically gender neutral

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00:53:51,849 --> 00:53:47,619
such as essential oils naturopathy

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00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:51,859
psychics mediums etc which generally

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00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:54,980
have more female customers than male but

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00:54:00,609 --> 00:53:58,010
not necessarily by design Trish Han is a

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00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:00,619
clinical educator in diagnostic

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00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:03,020
radiology at Royal Prince Alfred

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00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,690
Hospital in Sydney and vice-president of

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00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,760
Australian skeptics and of course a

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00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:09,940
reporter right here on the sceptic zone

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00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,010
for more information just head to the

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00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:16,400
social skeptics Canberra meetup page or

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00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:18,260
follow the link in this week's show

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00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:18,530
notes

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00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:35,030
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1230
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:37,410
zone and thank you to those people who

1231
00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:39,300
went along to skeptics in the pub in

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00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:41,790
Sydney a few days ago I I couldn't make

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00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,560
it which is a great pity because it was

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00:54:48,590 --> 00:54:46,380
a talk by dr. Karl crucial miss key and

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00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:48,600
judging by the photographs it was a full

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00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:50,370
house but don't forget if you're in

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00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:51,570
Sydney there's lots of fun to be had

1238
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:54,050
with Maynard at Maynard comdataís you

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00:54:59,420 --> 00:54:56,790
including movie nights and Maynard's

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Love Shack and by the way the next Love

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Shack is on the 17th of August Saturday

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00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,250
the 17th of August at the red bar which

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:07,260
is at the end of Glee Point Road near

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00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,930
the Broadway more information at Maynard

1245
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:11,520
com Donei you

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00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:13,980
and speaking of Maynard and skeptics in

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00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:15,750
the pub and dr. Karl coming up on next

1248
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:17,910
week's show a special report another

1249
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,800
special report from may not who was at

1250
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,900
skeptics in the pub and spoke to lots of

1251
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,480
pub goers and dr. Karl Cruz on whiskey

1252
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:27,920
himself no stranger to the sceptic zone

1253
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:30,960
but for this week from the San Francisco

1254
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:32,750
Bay Area this is Richard Saunders

1255
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:39,750
signing off you've been listening to the

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00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,080
hello everybody who keeps listening

1272
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:36,140
after the music maybe you're asleep

1273
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,570
hello wake up wake up it's time for the

1274
00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:42,480
dice game asleep how dare you fall

1275
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,870
asleep during the sceptic zone anyway

1276
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:47,130
for those of you don't know I've got a

1277
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:51,050
10 sided die here no it's this one sir

1278
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,570
sort of a yellow transparent yellow I'm

1279
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,200
going to roll it three times and

1280
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:00,150
grabbing my pen and paper here I want

1281
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:03,450
you to use your psychic powers hmm

1282
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:06,300
you're predicting powers or your

1283
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:09,150
mathematical odds something like that

1284
00:57:13,610 --> 00:57:11,070
yeah this see if you can guess what

1285
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:13,620
numbers come up shaking it now here

1286
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:14,970
comes the first roll so it'll be a

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00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:18,260
number from 1 to 10

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00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:24,630
today's first number is 3 ok ok next

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00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:26,930
number

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00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:32,580
it's a 903 and 9 whatever that means

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00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:36,270
last one and to get all three numbers is